North Somerset Yeomanry

[Петр Сергеевич]

Вот не получается почему-то найти и точно определить эту"простую" по дизайну кокарду

Принадлежит она North Somerset Yeomanry. Впервые часть была создана в 1798 году на условиях несения службы не далее 10 миль от родного города FROME, в 1802 году расформирована, через год вновь собрана и т.д. Формировалось это "ополчение" из "отборных кадров" - для вступления нужны были 2 рекомендации и вступительный взнос

Затем сомерсетцы объдинялись и разъединялись с разными частями несколько раз. Воевали в Южной Африке против буров в составе 7-го батальона Imperial Yeomanry, в 1908 году стали драгунами и в этом качестве в 1МВ воевали во Франции.

Во 2МВ - Дальний Восток и Сирия, но в 1943 году "влиты" в Королевский корпус связи. Потом были ещё и бронетанковые войска и т.д.

Но вопрос другой Можно ли точнее определить период данной кокарды, кроме 1901-1953 (на это указывает, что понятно, корона)?

Известны ли другие кокарды North Somerset Yeomanry?

Мне кажется, что этот "экземпляр" редкий или нет? Просто, в разных справочных изданиях эта кокарда почти не встречается

[Роман Сливин]

Никогда не видел эту кокарду, но могу сократить период - 1937-53 гг.

[Петр Сергеевич]

QUOTE (Роман Сливин @ Sep 24 2006, 10:00 PM)

Никогда не видел эту кокарду, но могу сократить период - 1937-53 гг.

Почему?

[Роман Сливин]

QUOTE (Петр Сергеевич @ Sep 24 2006, 10:04 PM)

QUOTE (Роман Сливин @ Sep 24 2006, 10:00 PM) Никогда не видел эту кокарду, но могу сократить период - 1937-53 гг.    Почему? Вензель Короля Георга VI   Немного инфы: Revived after the Armistice, the North Somerset Yeomanry survived a threat of conversion to Artillery and started life as a Mounted Regiment in 1922, under Lt Col K G Spencer, and was trained as such until war broke out in 1939.   The development of armour, however, soon foretold a change for the "horsed" Yeomanry Regiment. It took part in one campaign before the axe fell. In February 1940 the Regiment sailed for the Middle East as part of 1st Cavalry Division. It served in the Syrian campaign of 1941 and played a special part in the second assault on the position at Chaia in the battle of Maza Ridge. One officer and nine other ranks were killed and 19 wounded.   The factor determining the future of the Regiment in the war was the acute shortage of Royal Signals personnel in the Middle East. General Auchinleck needed to find some 2,000 signallers from among his existing resources and to train them in six weeks for service in the field in highly technical work normally requiring several years to learn. It was no mean compliment that the General recognised the required standard of intelligence and willingness to undertake this formidable task in the ranks of the North Somerset Yeomanry and the Cheshire Yeomanry.   So, after a short spell in the Royal Armoured Corps, the Regiment amalgamated from July 1942 with a Royal Corps of Signals unit to become 4th Air Formation Signals (North Somerset Yeomanry). In this capacity the Regiment fought through the last phase of the campaign in North Africa, through the campaign in Sicily and up through Italy until August 1944. It then returned to the United Kingdom and was reformed into 14th Air Formation Signals (NSY). From the following January it served until the end of the war in North West Europe.   The officers and men of the Regiment never let the disappointment of the loss of their hereditary role interfere with their most important work as signallers. But neither did the Regiment ever forget its real identity or the traditions and spirit of the North Somerset Yeomanry.   The Regiment was reformed in 1947 as the Armoured Regiment of 16th Airborne Division with an Independent Parachute Squadron.

[Петр Сергеевич]

QUOTE (Роман Сливин @ Sep 24 2006, 10:07 PM)

Вензель Короля Георга VI .

Спасибо

[Петр Сергеевич]

QUOTE (Роман Сливин @ Sep 24 2006, 10:07 PM)

Немного инфы: Revived after the Armistice, the North Somerset Yeomanry survived a threat of conversion to Artillery and started life as a Mounted Regiment in 1922, under Lt Col K G Spencer, and was trained as such until war broke out in 1939. The development of armour, however, soon foretold a change for the "horsed" Yeomanry Regiment. It took part in one campaign before the axe fell. In February 1940 the Regiment sailed for the Middle East as part of 1st Cavalry Division. It served in the Syrian campaign of 1941 and played a special part in the second assault on the position at Chaia in the battle of Maza Ridge. One officer and nine other ranks were killed and 19 wounded. The factor determining the future of the Regiment in the war was the acute shortage of Royal Signals personnel in the Middle East. General Auchinleck needed to find some 2,000 signallers from among his existing resources and to train them in six weeks for service in the field in highly technical work normally requiring several years to learn. It was no mean compliment that the General recognised the required standard of intelligence and willingness to undertake this formidable task in the ranks of the North Somerset Yeomanry and the Cheshire Yeomanry. So, after a short spell in the Royal Armoured Corps, the Regiment amalgamated from July 1942 with a Royal Corps of Signals unit to become 4th Air Formation Signals (North Somerset Yeomanry). In this capacity the Regiment fought through the last phase of the campaign in North Africa, through the campaign in Sicily and up through Italy until August 1944. It then returned to the United Kingdom and was reformed into 14th Air Formation Signals (NSY). From the following January it served until the end of the war in North West Europe. The officers and men of the Regiment never let the disappointment of the loss of their hereditary role interfere with their most important work as signallers. But neither did the Regiment ever forget its real identity or the traditions and spirit of the North Somerset Yeomanry. The Regiment was reformed in 1947 as the Armoured Regiment of 16th Airborne Division with an Independent Parachute Squadron.

Очень интересная и конкретная информация

С какого сайта, Роман? Там про другие полки тоже что-нибудь есть?

[Роман Сливин]

QUOTE (Петр Сергеевич @ Sep 24 2006, 10:18 PM)

QUOTE (Роман Сливин @ Sep 24 2006, 10:07 PM) Немного инфы: Revived after the Armistice, the North Somerset Yeomanry survived a threat of conversion to Artillery and started life as a Mounted Regiment in 1922, under Lt Col K G Spencer, and was trained as such until war broke out in 1939. The development of armour, however, soon foretold a change for the "horsed" Yeomanry Regiment. It took part in one campaign before the axe fell. In February 1940 the Regiment sailed for the Middle East as part of 1st Cavalry Division. It served in the Syrian campaign of 1941 and played a special part in the second assault on the position at Chaia in the battle of Maza Ridge. One officer and nine other ranks were killed and 19 wounded. The factor determining the future of the Regiment in the war was the acute shortage of Royal Signals personnel in the Middle East. General Auchinleck needed to find some 2,000 signallers from among his existing resources and to train them in six weeks for service in the field in highly technical work normally requiring several years to learn. It was no mean compliment that the General recognised the required standard of intelligence and willingness to undertake this formidable task in the ranks of the North Somerset Yeomanry and the Cheshire Yeomanry. So, after a short spell in the Royal Armoured Corps, the Regiment amalgamated from July 1942 with a Royal Corps of Signals unit to become 4th Air Formation Signals (North Somerset Yeomanry). In this capacity the Regiment fought through the last phase of the campaign in North Africa, through the campaign in Sicily and up through Italy until August 1944. It then returned to the United Kingdom and was reformed into 14th Air Formation Signals (NSY). From the following January it served until the end of the war in North West Europe. The officers and men of the Regiment never let the disappointment of the loss of their hereditary role interfere with their most important work as signallers. But neither did the Regiment ever forget its real identity or the traditions and spirit of the North Somerset Yeomanry. The Regiment was reformed in 1947 as the Armoured Regiment of 16th Airborne Division with an Independent Parachute Squadron. Очень интересная и конкретная информация С какого сайта, Роман? Там про другие полки тоже что-нибудь есть? Там только Сомерсетские полки. http://www.sommilmuseum.org.uk/article.php?id=4

[Петр Сергеевич]

Наконец-то попалась в одном издании Период до 1936 года, как сказано. Таким образом, кокарды периода GV и GVI практически не отличаются (кроме маленькой "I" ).

Название полка указано так: North Somerset and Bristol Yeomanry , хотя шифровка на погоны "укорочена"