"Сыновья Англии"

[Петр Сергеевич]

Не удержался от приобретения этого знака потому что в нём в концентрированном виде вся символика Англии - корона, 3 льва, красный крест на белом поле и качество отменное - серебро, позолота, горячая эмаль

По клеймам - изготовлен в Бирмингеме в 1926 году.

Информации по этой организации в инете практически нет. Нашел, что есть отделение в Канаде, достаточно активное...

Некоторые признаки указывают на масонское происхождение знака и, соответственно, общества, но... в одной статье встретил перечисление "через запятую" масонов и "Сыновей Англии"...

Поможете информацией, коллеги

[Роман Сливин]

Очень красивый по исполнению знак.

Но вот с инфой у меня тишина ...

Может коллегам из-за бугра показать?

[Петр Сергеевич]

Роман, буду очень признателен

[Михаил Беленький]

Петр Сергеевич, а как по английским клеймам определить год выпуска?

Был какой-то сайт (999-1000 или что-то вроде этого), но я не могу найти. Буду очень благодарен предоставленным ссылкам.

[Петр Сергеевич]

Михаил, у меня есть брошюра

Специально для Вас отсканирую и поставлю в отдельную тему

Вроде пробный скан читаем

[Михаил Беленький]

Спасибо!

[Петр Сергеевич]

Читайте http://sammler.ru/index.php?act=ST&f=143&t=12013

Но и про моих "Сыновей Англии" не забывайте

Жду инфу

[Роман Сливин]

QUOTE (Петр Сергеевич @ May 12 2006, 11:24 PM)

Читайте http://sammler.ru/index.php?act=ST&f=143&t=12013 Но и про моих "Сыновей Англии" не забывайте Жду инфу

Жду ответов по SONS OF ENGLAND.

[Петр Сергеевич]

И я

Большущее спасибо за хлопоты, Роман

[Роман Сливин]

QUOTE (Петр Сергеевич @ May 12 2006, 11:48 PM)

И я Большущее спасибо за хлопоты, Роман

Мне и самому интересно.

[Петр Сергеевич]

Кстати, обратите внимание на морды львов!

Портретное сходство с монархом, мне кажется, очевидно

(Только английским коллегам, Роман, об этом, видимо, не стоит говорить )

[Роман Сливин]

This is what it says;

 

 

From the Daily Examiner, September 8, 1902

For the first time in the history of the society in Charlottetown, the Sons of England yesterday observed Decoration Day. The turnout of the brethren of both Lodges Eton and Prince Edward was more than creditable and the various officers are deserving of much praise. The procession was headed by the Fourth Regiment Band and marshalled by Brother Isaac Carter. It left the hall at 3:30 and proceeded to the cemetery through clouds of dust. The decoration services were very impressive and were conducted by Brother Winchester as chaplain, Bro. W. F. H. Gill as President, Bro. W. H. Clarke as Past President, Bro. W. N. Tanton as Vice President and Bro. E. H. Duchemin as Secretary.

 

Five deceased members' graves as follows were decorated; the decorations consisting of a potted rose and union Jack in each case:

Bro. David M. Richards, Lodge Eton, born July 1870, joined the Order May 1891; died July 25, 1895.

Bro. Wallace Scantlebury, Lodge Eton, born Sept 1849, joined the Order August 1891, died Sept. 25, 1894.

Bro. Wallace Arbing, born Sept 1830, joined the Order Sept 15, 1899.

Bro. Isaac Wadman, born Aug. 1830, joined the Order May 1895; died, August 25, 1899.

Bro. William R. Boreham, born Dec. 1850, joined the Order, May, 1896, died January 30, 1902.

 

A wreath with inscription and a Union Jack was then placed on the Taylor family plot in memory of Roland D. Taylor, killed at Paaredeberg, 1900, and the same decorations were placed in memory of Bro. Lawson Clarke, lost off Boston Harbor, 1902.

 

Just at this time when three British warships are in port, it was particularly fitting that the grave of Midshipman Watson, who died when H. M. S. Bellerophon was in Charlottetown some fourteen years ago should be remembered. It was decorated with an anchor of flowers and a flag bearing St. George's Cross.

 

Note: Canadian Encyclopedia, Hertig Publishers, Edmonton, 1988. page 709:

(in referring to the settlement of Canada by English, Scots, Irish, etc......

 

"The largest and most important English cultural society was the Sons of England, which in 1913 had 40,000 Canadian members. Lodges formed across Canada were usually led by affluent Englishmen, professionals, clergymen and former military officers who had joined local elites. The most important vehicle for maintaining traditions was the social evening "At home," which was modelled on the English music hall.On these occasions, the Sons were expected to thrill to jingoistic songs, weep at evocations of England, savour warm, dark ale, and revert to regional dialects. As a mutual benefit society, the Sons organized receptions of newcomers, provided medical services and paid unemplyment and disability benefits."

[Петр Сергеевич]

Роман, это от коллег из-за моря?

Спасибо! но всё равно мало что понятно

Опять речь о канадцах... А в самой-то Англии? На моём знаке надпись - "Голубая Королевская Степень" (если перевод верный, но без знания темы не перевести)

Значит, культурное общество... а обращение "брат", как у масонов?!

Но хоть что-то...

Спасибо ещё раз

[Роман Сливин]

QUOTE (Петр Сергеевич @ May 13 2006, 01:06 AM)

Роман, это от коллег из-за моря? Спасибо! но всё равно мало что понятно Опять речь о канадцах... А в самой-то Англии? На моём знаке надпись - "Голубая Королевская Степень" (если перевод верный, но без знания темы не перевести) Значит, культурное общество... а обращение "брат", как у масонов?! Но хоть что-то... Спасибо ещё раз

Это от них самых, пока все ...

Еще дали ссылку, но она не открывается.

На всякий случай http://www.islandregister.com/1902sofengland.html

Вдруг откроется.

[Петр Сергеевич]

Ссылка открылась, но... там тот самый текст, который Вы привели в посте И всё

Может, ещё подошлют

Спасибо ещё раз!

[Роман Сливин]

QUOTE (Петр Сергеевич @ May 13 2006, 01:03 AM)

Ссылка открылась, но... там тот самый текст, который Вы привели в посте И всё Может, ещё подошлют Спасибо ещё раз!

Попалась инфа, не совсем по знаку, но его наличие в группе может хоть чем-то поможет.

 

 

WW1 MC, PAIR, WW2 AFRICA SERVICE MEDAL TO, CAPT (REVEREND) NOEL ROBERTS.REVEREND ROBERTS WAS EDUCATED AT ST.AUGUSTINE COLLEGE CANTERBURY FROM 1903 TO 1906. HE BECAME DEACON IN 1906 AND PRIEST OF PRETORIA IN 1908 WHILST ALSO BEING THE CURATE OF ST ALBANS PRETORIA FROM 1906 TO 1912. HE WAS VICAR OF PIETERSBURG FROM 1912 TO 1915. BEFORE TAKING A TEMPORARY COMMISION IN 1917 AS A CHAPLAIN TO THE FORCES (4TH CLASS) HE RELINQUISHED HIS COMMISION ON THE 13TH OF JUNE 1919 AND WAS GRANTED IS HON RANK OF CHAPLAIN. HE RETURNED IN 1919 TO HIS WORK AS VICAR OF ORCHARDS UNTIL 1925 WHEN HE BECAME RECTOR OF POTCHEFSTROOM A POST HE HELD UNTIL 1931 WHEN HE BECAME VICAR OF LICHENBURG IN THE DIOCESE OF JOHANNESBERG. DURING WW2 HE SERVED WITH THE SOUTH AFRICAN ACF. THE CITATION FOR HIS MC WAS PUBLISHED IN THE LONDON GAZETTE DATED 4-10-1919 WITH THE FOLLOWING CITATION, REV.NOEL.ROBERTS.T/C.F 4TH CLASS R.A.C.D ATTD 1ST BN.S.AFR.INF. DURING THE OPERATIONS FROM THE 8TH/9TH OCTOBER 1918 EAST OF BEAUREVIOR AND AT LE-CATEAU HE SHOWED GREAT ENERGY AND DEVOTION TO DUTY IN ORGANISING STRETCHER-BEARER PARTIES AND BRINGING IN WOUNDED UNDER HEAVY FIRE TO A PLACE OF SAFETY. HIS CONTEMPT FOR DANGER WAS MOST MARKED AND THROUGH HIS GALLANT EFFORTS ALL WOUNDED AND DEAD WERE BROUGHT BACK WITH VERY LITTLE DELAY. THE MC IS UNNAMED AS ISSUED. THE VICTORY MEDAL HAS THE STANDARD SOUTH AFRICAN REVERSE AND THE AFRICA SERVICE MEDAL HAS THE ACF PREFIX. THE GROUP BEING MOUNTED AS WORN AND SOLD WITH FOUR 9CT GOLD AND ENAMEL MEDALS FROM THE SONS OF ENGLAND FRIENDLY SOCIETY. THESE ALL BEING NAMED TO THE REVEREND ROBERTS MC FOR HIS SERVICES AS GRAND PRESIDENT. ALSO WITH THE GROUP IS A 9CT GOLD AND ENAMEL BADGE OF OFFICE POSSIBLY FOR BEING INVOLVED IN A ROYAL EVENT?. A TRULY SUPERB GROUP. AND GOLD MEDALS ALONE HAVE OVER £300 WORTH OF GOLD CONTENT.

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Ветеран

[Stobaksov]

The Sons of England Society was founded in Toronto in 1874 by George Clatworthy. The Society was formed to assist needy Protestants of English extraction and to promote loyalty to the monarchy. The organization provided cooperative insurance and purchased burial plots. Organized into local lodges, the Society served mainly working class families. The Kelowna branch of the Sons of England Benefit Society "Orchard City" Lodge No. 316 took out life insurance on behalf of enlisted members during the First World War.

In Canada this was a benevolent society started in 1874 and closed in 1971. It was founded to provide cooperatives in order to purchase burial plots. Organised in Lodges and mainly serving working class families.

The South African version of the Society would appear to have been more political in content, though whether this was for real or by reputation only.

Инфа из Тырнета.

[Петр Сергеевич]

QUOTE (Stobaksov @ May 30 2009, 07:26 AM)

The Sons of England Society was founded in Toronto in 1874 by George Clatworthy. The Society was formed to assist needy Protestants of English extraction and to promote loyalty to the monarchy. The organization provided cooperative insurance and purchased burial plots. Organized into local lodges, the Society served mainly working class families. The Kelowna branch of the Sons of England Benefit Society "Orchard City" Lodge No. 316 took out life insurance on behalf of enlisted members during the First World War. In Canada this was a benevolent society started in 1874 and closed in 1971. It was founded to provide cooperatives in order to purchase burial plots. Organised in Lodges and mainly serving working class families. The South African version of the Society would appear to have been more political in content, though whether this was for real or by reputation only. Инфа из Тырнета.

Очень полезно, спасибо